Twice today I have come across a Democratic talking point that has caught my ear. I believe it to be a talking point because the mouths I have heard it from are Barack Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe and House Speaker Pelosi.
Their point was larger than what I am going to talk about but essentially it says that the Obama-team is not as concerned with the polls as the press, or for that matter, the nation.
Plouffe – “We don’t pay attention to national polls.”
Pelosi – “I’m very comfortable with those polls.”
Why do I find this interesting? Well for one I’ve gotten a bit annoyed with hearing about how the Democrats are “PANICKED” and how in one commentator’s words, “the luster has come off of Sen. Obama.” Of course, I am not so naive as to think that simply because one of Obama’s consiglieres tells me to not worry, that I should not worry.
Instead, I look to the logic.
Pelosi – “These are polls of likely voters. Likely voters are people who have voted in the last two elections, and they are likely to vote again.”
Plouffe – The electorate in 2008 “is going to be changed in some fundamental ways from 2004.”
The two made such similar points that I cannot help but see a conference call or talking points sheet being responsible.
The importance of it all struck home to me when I read the Pelosi piece. I have been a bit concerned about a perceived drop in the polls. There has been a change in my cynicism in the past year. The interminable march that was the Bush Presidency nears its closure and there is a chance that things can get better. This drop in the polls rejuvenated the cynicism of old. Another four years of policy decisions that I disagree with, of cowboys who believe the world is their oyster, of Karl Rove on White House speed dial, and of Democrats making snide aloof remarks from the wings. I do not want that.
What these two articles did not elaborate on for me was youth. To have voted in the past two presidential elections a voter must be 26. I am 27. That means that by these talking points, virtually no one younger than myself counts in the polls. If this is true then it is a major gap in the polls. They would thus skew towards the older and more conservative.
It has also been brought to my attention that these polls can only reach potential voters who have land lines. Strike two. I know so many people in my age group that do not have a land line. I also know many of my parents friends that would not know the term “land line” despite having one.
I hesitate to take it at face value and I have a hunch that the pollsters are smart enough to have fixed this to some degree by adding in single voters but I imagine there is still a bias since there seem to be a good number of people who have never voted and thus would never be contacted. I think Obama takes the lion’s share of these.
~Forth
4 responses so far ↓
t-dizzle // 26 August 2008 at 9:14 pm |
I’ve had a very similar feelings as of late. Cynicism, mixed with a little bit of worry. I watched this piece on Democrats for McCain and it kind of freaked me out. Call me naive but I was unaware that there was such an organization. The woman doing most of the talking was touting the fact that they were based in Ohio and how Ohio “usually decides the election”. And then all of the Clinton chatter dominating the rap. Wait and see I suppose.
TheBeardedMan // 27 August 2008 at 8:59 am |
Adding to T-dizzle – I don’t have a link for you but there was a story out recently about a woman from southeastern WI who worked for the Dem party supporting Clinton (maybe the same chick mentioned above?). She is now in ads for McCain claiming that because of Obama she will be voting Republican for the first time. This kind of reasoning makes me sick.
If you claim no allegiance to either party, and proceed to choose the candidate from either party based on what you believe to be an intelligent decision, good for you. But to claim that you are a Democrat and then vote for McCain because your candidate didn’t get the nod is just stupid. I would rather you didn’t vote at all. I find it hard to beleive that she agrees with McCain even a little if she was a Hillary humper.
I can’t belevie that I am about to be the stereotypical Wisconsinite and talk about Favre, but there were people who claimed to be life long Packers fans who are now Jets fans because of good ‘ol #4. Excuse me but you are not, nor were you ever, a Packers fan. You are not even a Jets fan. You were/are, in fact, a Brett Favre fan. Just like the woman above was not a Democrat, she was a Clinton loving nut bag who decided that she didn’t like the outcome and is taking her ball and going home.
Sorry for the rant, work is boring today.
FarmacyMan // 27 August 2008 at 9:11 am |
An interesting video pertaining to the discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UxxhYa8K0s
This “Democrats 4 McCain” BS is a bunch of cranky old sore loser women who got all excited about the potential for the first female in the white house and are now bitter because their candidate didn’t win. I wouldn’t be surprised if a solid portion of them weren’t actually republicans all along and are just plants to make a face in the media and try to draw support.
I am nervous that between this crap and the Ron Paul freaks all insisting they’re still going to win that it’s sucking enough votes away from the left to give McSame a running chance he never should have had.
That or Diebold will just decide the winner for us.
/puts on Tinfoil hat.
Forth // 27 August 2008 at 9:00 pm |
Yeah, Diebold renamed that division to Premier Election Services but…. I think FarmacyMan can attest to the BS that is renaming in order to cover up mistakes.
Also I read this timely article from Poltico today. Roger Simon points out that it is crap to believe that people come election day will really vote for McCain because Hillary Clinton didn’t win. The line that caught me was:
“We are now asked to believe that a significant number of Hillary supporters will vote for John McCain in November rather than vote for Barack Obama. That is what some polls show and it has become a major media story line. To which I say: Hooey. Maybe that is the kind of thing you tell pollsters and reporters, but I don’t think it is the kind of thing that happens in real life.”
Sounds good to me.