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20 October 2008 · 28 Comments

I’ve read two books by Prof. Noam Chomsky and I probably should read about twelve more.  Each of the books I read, I’ve found I needed to read twice -I did- because there seems to be such vision and depth that I know I am missing out on parts.  In this video he talks about the lesser of two evils: Obama.  When you have ten quiet minutes watch this.  I say quiet because… well, its Noam Chomsky, man.

Next time something completely different: Your zombie survival plan.  Don’t tell me you haven’t considered the alternative exits to your apartment.

~Forth

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  • Viana_17 // 20 October 2008 at 7:30 pm | Reply

    Oh sweet Jesus, not again.

  • dani // 20 October 2008 at 7:57 pm | Reply

    Fuck Chomsky!

  • FarmacyMan // 21 October 2008 at 6:30 am | Reply

    Very insightful and well thought out response, there Dani.

  • Dani // 21 October 2008 at 7:15 am | Reply

    I was on a blackberry watching my football team lose last night so the anger level was high. But I stand by what I said.

    Noam Chomsky is nothing more than a professional left wing nutjob. Pick the lesser of two evils? Ok, I did, and that was McCain, because under Obama, I fear freedom will be the casuality, and we will no longer be the United States of America, but rather the United Socialist States of America. Obama made that pretty clear with his “spread the wealth” comment.

    Chomsky for more than half a century has praised the worlds most brutal totalitarian regimes and has decimated democracy. During Vietnam he praised the Hanoi leadership as “flexible and intelligent” yeah go tell that to Sen. McCain Mr. Chomsky. While your ass was visiting the VietCong, McCain was fighting for you and fighting so you could slander the U.S.

    I like what Peter Collier said about Chomsky after 9-11. “Today, as throughout his long career, America’s peril is Chomsky’s hope. After terrorists murdered thousands of American civilians on 9/11, Chomsky fretted about a predicted “silent genocide” caused by U.S. retaliation in Afghanistan. He remains “committed to the idea that American had it coming for a history of misdeeds stretching back at least to 1812, the last time foreigners attacked the homeland, but really 1492, where the nightmare began.”

    Yep, damn that Columbus to hell!

    All Chomsky is is pro-semicolonm, anti America, anti-Bush, anti-freedom dillweed. Why he is so popular is beyond my knowledge. He profits off of tragady, kind of like Michael Moore.

    My question to you is this, what are you going to do when Obama turns out to be the worst President this country has ever seen? What are you going to do when we get hit by another terrorist attack, as Joe Biden already said will happen 6 months in?

  • TheBeardedMan // 21 October 2008 at 9:23 am | Reply

    Impossible, Bush locked up that title after his 3rd year. Unless we put a monkey in the oval office, there will never be anyone worse than him. That being said, McCain is just lucky he has opposable thumbs.

    We need to find an Obama supporter that Dani won’t completely trash. I know very little about Chomsky but if you and Peter Collier really think that 9/11 was not a result of America’s selfish actions over the last century, then I fear there is no reasoning with you.

    Damn that Columbus indeed! He was a self serving, slave owning, murdering ass hat who started the wheel on one of the darkest times in the history of the world. In his defense, if it had not been him it would have been someone else.

    My question to you is what will you do when Obama is the best thing to happen to this country in decades and you have to eat your words? Or better yet, what will you do when McCain is president and we are at war with half the world and despised by the other half?

  • Dani // 21 October 2008 at 10:14 am | Reply

    Here is one Obama supporter I won’t trash, Colin Powell. I don’t agree with him, but I would never trash a man who served his country.

    Eating my words, nope…

  • Dani // 21 October 2008 at 11:18 am | Reply

    however I did just eat this great turkey sandwich….

  • Dani // 21 October 2008 at 11:56 am | Reply

    “Damn that Columbus indeed! He was a self serving, slave owning, murdering ass hat who started the wheel on one of the darkest times in the history of the world. In his defense, if it had not been him it would have been someone else.”

    George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and many more of our founding fathers owned slaves. If Columbus is so bad, than that makes Che’ Guevara bad too, and that it also lead to one of the darkest times in history. But yet, Che’ is a fashion icon and there is a Che’ flag sitting in Obama’s campaign office in Houston…

  • TheBeardedMan // 21 October 2008 at 11:58 am | Reply

    Not gonna count Powell as he is still a republican. Looking for a Dem or a fence walker.

    When the time comes, try putting a little mayo on those words. Helps ‘em slide down easier.

    In other news, If I have to listen to this “Real America” BullSh@t any longer I am going to go nuts. How dare McCain and Palin infer that because I don’t come from Wasilla or vote Republican that I am not a real American and that I don’t love this country. Just another peice of the horrid campaign puzzle that they have put together.

  • Back // 21 October 2008 at 1:08 pm | Reply

    I have no problem with not loving this country. Every freedom we have was obtained by robbing millions of others of theirs. There’s nothing to be proud about there. Maybe that’s why I just don’t really care about this stuff…

  • Dani // 21 October 2008 at 2:15 pm | Reply

    Powell in my eyes is not a Republican. Thats great and all that he has been appointed to some high offices under Republicans, but he isn’t really a Republican. And you only said Obama supporter, you did not say a Democratic Obama supporter…

    When have McCain and Palin “infer” that you’re not an American because you don’t come from small town America??? I’ve listened to most if not all their campaign stops and havent heard one thing about that. Now if you talking about things that have been said at McCain/Palin rallies then I suggest you read the USSS report showing that many of those claims have been unfounded, ie. the “kill him” claim.

    Here is my rant: How dare an Obama supporter on a the metro call me a racist for wearing a McCain/Palin button on my jacket! How dare Family Guy equate McCain/Palin to Nazi’s. How dare I be told that because I’m a Republican I am somehow less of a female than Democrat is. How dare Obama tell me that I’m “bitter and clinging to my guns”.

    Last time I checked, our freedoms in this country were obtained through fighting the British who were robbing the colonies of their basic human rights!

  • TheBeardedMan // 21 October 2008 at 3:28 pm | Reply

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/campaign.wrap/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/palin-clarifies-what-part_n_135641.html

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_adviser_Northern_Va_not_the_real_Virginia.html

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iWPrEwht8KbeE6jLFd2TMngj0_3gD93T6DI00
    *I love the communist country line in this one.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188635&title=pfriend-or-pfoe
    *Let the jabs about The Daily Show being biased and not real news begin…

    Metro-rider, Family Guy… really? How about
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPg0VCg4AEQ
    I expect it from sitcoms and stupid people. It doesn’t get under my skin.

  • Viana_17 // 21 October 2008 at 3:56 pm | Reply

    Last time “I” checked, this was a country born out of civil war because a group of people decided they didn’t want to pay taxes or work for someone else for a living, but that all got shot to hell in the end, didn’t it?

    So how ’bout we all just agree that whoever gets elected president next will have the possibility to make things better or worse, but there’s really nothing much we can really do to stop it.

  • Forth // 21 October 2008 at 4:31 pm | Reply

    Right… so… did anyone actually watch the video? Because none of these comments really talk about that…
    As for calling him a nut, well he has his opinions. Nut really is just calling names or insinuating that an MIT professor doesn’t have all of his faculties. Unless socialism is now grounds for being un-American as well as crazy.
    I think what we should all agree on is that some of us are liberal and going to stay that way, and others are conservative and going to stay that way. None of us are the target demographic.
    Oh and as for spreading the wealth around… that isn’t socialism, that is taxes. The Bearded man can link the story he sent me about the purpose of taxes and what it means to simultaneously call for cutting them and for expanding military support. Oh and did anyone mention that Sen. McCain’s health credit is refundable?

  • TheBeardedMan // 21 October 2008 at 4:39 pm | Reply

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    I like the oliver wendell holmes quote.

  • Forth // 21 October 2008 at 4:46 pm | Reply

    Roger Simon reminds us of why Colin Powell in 1996 in a press conference decided not to enter the presidential race: “He says that if he had decided to run, he would have done “fairly well,” but he is troubled by what presidential campaigning has become in this country.

    Powell: “We all should be concerned over the nature of attack, ad hominem attack, designed to destroy character,” Powell says. He says that candidates should draw the line when it comes to “incivility.”

    “Don’t give up on the political process; fix it,” Powell says. “It’s a great system. It just needs tidying up.”

  • Back // 21 October 2008 at 5:23 pm | Reply

    To backpedal a bit–
    How did the colonies obtain their land in the first place? By driving away the people that were there first. And after we obtained freedom? Stole land from the Mexicans. We’ve all heard the story and it’s not pretty–same goes for almost every country in this world. But they don’t puff their chests out and try to be all righteous like we do. That’s the difference.

  • FarmacyMan // 21 October 2008 at 7:11 pm | Reply

    Beard did you get any work done today or did you spend it all researching?

    Haha, I’s is teh funny.

  • Dani // 22 October 2008 at 7:00 am | Reply

    Forth I love how you say that some of us our liberal and are going to stay that way and the same goes for Conservatives. One thing I did notice though is that I’m the only Conservative that posts on your blog. I don’t have a problem with it, but I’m a one more Army here and no matter that research I put up, it seems as though I somehow less informed than the others. I’m not complaining here, but I’m just stating the facts.

    Unlike The Bearded Man, I have job that require me to be away from my computer half the time. I do research when I have the time. BTW, Bearded Man, if anyone calls you a racist on a crowed metro, let me know how you feel, ok?

  • Dani // 22 October 2008 at 7:01 am | Reply

    One Man Army, sorry, I’m early…

  • Dani // 22 October 2008 at 7:01 am | Reply

    it’s early, oh crap, this is gonna be a long day…

  • TheBeardedMan // 22 October 2008 at 9:18 am | Reply

    Work, what the hell is that? I do the research because I no longer work with politicians and I can no longer validate my posts with my job or my experience. Lucky for me I have a flexible job that allows me to do that, otherwise I would not be able to keep up with the rest of you.

    …and I have been called a racist before. In a crowded bar in Milwaukee because apparently I took the seat of some chick who thinks that everyone who wrongs her is racist.

  • Dani // 22 October 2008 at 9:41 am | Reply

    I was called a racist because I’m a white female who had a political button on her. I’ve seen other white females with Obama buttons on them and nothing happens. There is a double standard for everything.

    As for the chick who called you a racist, well shes just stupid…

  • FarmacyMan // 22 October 2008 at 5:30 pm | Reply

    I was once called racist because I told a black man he would have to wait a few minutes for his prescription just like everyone else. He seemed to think he could walk up to the register (despite my waiting area being packed), order what he wanted and have it handed to him. This was not the case.

    My story has no real relevance to the conversation, I just felt like sharing.

    Also, don’t you hate pants?

    I will say, however, that there are crazies on both sides. Whatever nutjob called Dani racist was 100% wrong, and those nutjobs that say they ain’t gonna vote for sum’ “blackie” (or worse) are in the wrong.

    Another anecdotal story: Whilst my boss was working in the pill farm, she expressed her support of Obama to a customer, he stated back “You ain’t really gonna vote for some negro are ya?”

    This was previously one of her favorite customers. Not so much anymore. She asked him to leave.

    I guess what I’m getting at is we shouldn’t equate an entire side of the political spectrum to the crazies that inhabit that side.

    I think we all can agree that recently this nation has become more polarized than ever before, at least it seems so to me, and frankly I hope whatever the next 4-8 years bring, we can all make an effort to work together for the betterment of our society and the world.

    That’ll probably never happen.

    So in summary: Can’t we all just fucking get along?

  • Back // 22 October 2008 at 6:31 pm | Reply

    O, FarmacyMan. You warm my heart.

  • dani // 22 October 2008 at 7:33 pm | Reply

    I would love for us all to get along, unfortunately in todays society that won’t happen. I do agree there are crazies on both sides.

  • Dani // 23 October 2008 at 2:40 pm | Reply

    and just when I thought being called a racist was bad, I come across this little story…

    http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

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