If you watch the news or pick up a paper or anything of the sort, you have seen in the last few weeks talk of the possible stimulus plan. I believe the super-uplifting name we are calling it now is either American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan or Where’d All the Monies Go? I don’t remember which.
If you want the down and dirty on the possibilities floating out there, I recommend you read 2008 Nobel Prize Winner in Economics Paul Krugman’s New York Times column or his blog. Much of what he writes is so marked by clarity that I wonder why I didn’t get what he writes about on my own. He is that good at making sense of all of these trillions flying around the world. It has been his opinion as of late that the numbers that Team Obama have been floating are going to be insufficient to fill the vast void that is this economic slowdown. His best estimate right now shows that the stimulus plan as proposed will only serve to reduce the problem by a third over the next 2-5 years.
Krugman further points out that the plan includes far too much money for ineffective tax cuts. If you want to know the capabilities of tax cuts to taxpayers and businesses to effectively save the economy, I refer you to the last eight years. Instead, many economists are showing numbers that suggest for every dollar spent by the government there is a 1.5 dollar effect on the gross domestic product. This number got me thinking about an hour ago while I was playing a popular iPhone game in between grading papers.

Field Runners
Field Runners is one of those games where I have to stop the little enemies marching from one side of the screen to the other. For each enemy I kill I profit a specified amount of money that I can then turn into more gun emplacements on the map. Stay with me, I swear this is about the US economy.
After have played half way through I decided to make a sandwich and just let the game run for a few minutes. I had a pretty sound maze of guns set up and I didn’t think I’d let any little guys make it across. I though to myself, Well when I come back I’ll have a big chunk of cash and I can make some sweeping changes. Really build up the end of my maze. This is where Paul Krugman entered the picture.
Krugman talks about “shovel ready” projects frequently when discussing alternatives to tax cuts that will probably just end up in the bank or used to pay off credit card debt. Shovel ready means that if given the money, project supervisors could start building whatever it is they are building within six months to a year. Awhile back I wrote about the idea of high speed rail in America and how that idea excited me. With the government about to spend Lots and Lots of money we don’t have, I’d like to see some sweeping changes.
The second largest economy in the world is Japan; Germany is the third. When these nations decide to make sweeping changes like the Eisenhower Interstate system was here in the 50’s, they do not have as much ground to cover. Yes, they have other challenges but my point is that the distances don’t seem so astronomical. Here in America sweeping changes cross four time zones and go through 200 subcommittees it seems.
Five years ago, there would be little chance for high speed rail or any other great national project to get 1-5 billion dollars. Much like in my iPod Touch/iPhone game, most of the time we operate by spending little amounts of money to add on little improvements; just enough to keep us ahead of the game. In five to ten years time the US economy is going to have to be robust enough to start paying back some of these many monies we are about to spend. There will just be no room for the government to spend the billions necessary to complete projects like these. As long as we are going to spend the stimulus, I am hoping that we can use it on something as monumental as the US Interstate System was in its day, rather than spending it on Best Buy gift cards and Vera Bradley hand bags, shudder.
10 responses so far ↓
TheBeardedMan // 15 January 2009 at 2:16 pm |
Man, give the kid a day off and you are rewarded with a blog post.
Forth // 15 January 2009 at 3:35 pm |
You’re just mad because I made fun of Vera Bradley.
TheBeardedMan // 16 January 2009 at 10:44 am |
I do so love their hand bags…
Forth // 19 January 2009 at 9:57 pm |
I don’t want to explain Keynesian Economics but this talks about some of the swill I’ve been peddling.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1871769,00.html
Forth // 22 January 2009 at 12:02 pm |
$%&# Non-Partisnship and getting 60 votes if it means we have to continue down this road.
Paul Krugman pointed me to this Talking Points Memo post saying that money for mass-transit has been axed to make room for the tax cuts I loathe.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/oberstar-mass-transit-got-the-shaft-to-make-room-for-tax-cuts.php
Dani // 27 January 2009 at 2:09 pm |
I agree that money needs to be going into our infrastructure, however I’m against this stimulus bill. Not even the House Democrats know if it will create jobs and help the economy. It’s just more wasteful spending on the part of the congress. I sure as hell don’t want my money going to certain places ie. funding abortion overseas or giving tax cuts to people who don’t even pay taxes at all. And can someone please tell me how birth control stimulates the economy? What you want to eliminate future workers??? This stimulus bill is nothing but a crap sandwich!
Forth // 27 January 2009 at 5:01 pm |
Welcome back, I see you received the Republican congressional talking points. For a second I thought McConnell and Boehner had walked in.
To some degree you’re wrong when you say they don’t know if it will create jobs since 825 billion can’t help but create jobs somewhere. You’re right in that they don’t know how effective it will be. But the catch is that no one does. Up against interest rates that can’t go any lower than zero and facing shrinking consumer spending for the first time in three decades we’re all pretty much in the dark. Still, I’ll go with Krugman on this though since he has been arguing for spending since November.
On the next point, I just heard Rep. Dave Camp (R MI) on the radio saying that it was the Republican congress that started this refunding of taxes to people who didn’t pay them. He makes the point better than you in that he says, “we tried that and it didn’t seem to work. Now we’re worried that the practice is going to increase at a swift rate” (not a direct quote). I gained a little respect for the guy since he kind of admitted that it was a failed policy that his party was a part of and he didn’t want to continue with it.
As for the birth control thing… I dunno, it is a couple of million out of a BIG 825 billion and I figure someone has to be making the condoms, delivering the condoms, and selling the condoms. More to the point it is a superficial argument when you’re probably really more opposed to the scope and philosophy of the overall bill than just that one payout.
The complaints you’ve just registered here probably don’t even add up to a total of a billion dollars. Even less since Obama asked the congressional Democrats to drop the contraceptives bit on Monday and they did.
danirobi // 27 January 2009 at 6:18 pm |
Awww, I knew you missed me. No, I did not get my opinions from the Republican talking points. I’ve been spending everyday working on the stimulus package for a client. You read a lot on both sides of the issue. Surprised that I actually think for myself and don’t always agree with the Republican party?!?
I’m actually a big fan of Representative Camp. I’ve met the guy and have done work with him. President Reagan is the one that brought up the “giving tax breaks” to those who don’t pay taxes. As much as I love President Reagan I think that practice is wrong. Uh oh, Dani is disagreeing with Reagan, all hell must have frozen over. Oh wait that’s just the snow here in DC.
danirobi // 27 January 2009 at 6:23 pm |
Ugh, stupid blackberry is having issues, so a full response will come tomorrow. However, I can say this, I’m not a fan of the new Secretary of the Treasury. I mean the guy who is running the IRS can’t even pay his own taxes?!? I wish the Republicans would have put up a bigger fight than they did. Maybe if I don’t pay my taxes the government will go easy on me if I just tell them it “was an honest mistake”.
Dani // 28 January 2009 at 7:50 am |
Obama has said that he was going to fight to keep earmarks out the Stimulus package, yet guess what, the bill is full of them. $200 million that was stripped with the birth control also stripped money going towards refurbishing the National Mall, which I can tell is still being cleaned up after the Obama-lovers trashed it last week.
Included in the stimulus is funding for ACORN for “neighborhood stabilization” aka shakedowns to get Democratic votes. $246 million is to go to Hollywood for “new targeted tax breaks.” $75 million for smoking cessation? It’s on page 61 of the bill. Why would the Democrats want smoking cessation? Don’t they need those people to support they universal health care S-CHIP??? According to the non-partisan Congressional Budge Office, only 7% of the $800 billion plus stimulus package would enter the economy by the end of the year. The CBO also confirmed that the Democrats version of the Stimulus package is not $800 billion plus, but rather it’s over a trillion. Talk about irresponsible spending on the part of the Democratically controlled legislature.
Last night, Rep. Thad McCottler (R-MI) introduced an amendment to the Stimulus Bill (H.R. 1) that would require new incfrastructure project ie. roads, bridges, waterways…The amendment was named after a U.S. Armed Forces Soldier who had been killed during combat. All 9 Democrats in the House Rules Committee voted against that bill. Guess our infrastructure isn’t that important, or at least we now know you can’t honor a soldier without the Democrats voting down your bill.
200 hundered Economists from the Cato Institute wrote a letter to Obama against the Stimulus Bill stating this: “More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s, more government spending did not solve Japan’s ‘lost decade’ in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today.”
I suggest you read this http://readthestimulus.org/
Find out where your money is going. Oh and I have very little if any respect for Paul Krugman. I don’t care if he’s won a nobel prize. Personally to me he is a left wing liberal nut job, who went after Republicans because it was reported that threats were made towards Obama during some campaign rallies last year. Oh but then he fails to wrote that the United States Secret Service investigated and found no such threats…hmmmm.